The thing is, Axim + cheap BT phone beats the crap out of it. If you have the right software, you don't even have to take your phone out your pocket.
Beats the crap out of it for what? Web browsing? For dialing out with your Axim and making voice calls with it? For watching movies? For checking stock prices with 'widgets'? I know my phone crashes when I try to use it as a dial-up modem, so that's out. Your mindless hate of non-Axims is a little disturbing, really - almost as much as those who say that the iPhone is God, that Jobs is the second coming of Jesus, and that it'll crush all Windows devices under its foot because it's shiny...
The iPhone looks good, and will probably outsell the Axim and most other Windows Mobile devices in the consumer market - that's going to be a hard figure to dislodge, if only because Microsoft only really started pushing Windows Mobile recently and Dell never really did much with advertising or putting the Axims into the hands of consumers. Between the lackluster interface of the standard Windows Mobile device, and the lack of publicity and support they get outside of our own geeky or business circles (most people I talk to think 'oh, a PALM!' when I ask them about PDAs - which goes to show you how bad Microsoft's been at evangelizing the OS), it's going to be hard to push these out there.
Yes, the Axim and BT phone combination will be more versatile - WITH the right programs. Which means going out, buying the programs, installing them, configuring them half to death, then running them with about 3-4 clicks in a menu. The hype about the iPhone at the moment is because it looks good (which WM doesn't, unless you skin the heck out of it) and operates in what appears to be a very intuitive fashion - which are things that only Palm's really managed to do with Windows Mobile on the Treo 700 series. And it all comes in one package, ready to go, without the user needing to do anything more other than insert a SIM card into it and then going out to lunch after syncing the thing with iTunes.
Seriously, though - MS could stand to copy a few things from the iPhone, along with HTC and any other PDA maker, so we can get some refinement in our devices. Only the hx4700 series ever had an ambient light sensor, IIRC, for backlight adjustment - that's one feature that's been sorely missing throughout the years. If the next Windows Mobile PDA or phone could use accelerometers to sense when it's time to switch programs into landscape mode, I'd be happy. There are concepts here which could use some shameless copying (802.11g in a handheld, 8GB onboard storage), items which have been slow to trickle down to Windows Mobile because of a general arrogance among Windows Mobile manufacturers due to a lack of effective competition over the past 5 years or so.
Yes, the resolution's not VGA, and the items aren't revolutionary in themselves... but by God, it's the first time we've seen them all in a classy-looking package that actually got the attention of non-techheads. It's those poor, ignorant, moneyed masses which really drive innovation in the marketplace; us early adopters and technogeeks may think we're on the cutting edge of the market... but most companies don't build devices for us - there just aren't enough of us to sell the things to. It's Joe and Jane Q Public, the ones who think the RAZR is the coolest thing since sliced bread despite its substandard specs, that the companies listen to. Now that someone's introduced the idea of auto-landscape mode, brightness sensors, and massive amounts of onboard storage into a consumer device, maybe HTC or someone else will start doing the same with their newer 'consumer' PDA phones.
>Your mindless hate of non-Axims is a little disturbing
It is called "My mindless hate of nonX50v/51v - hx4700 is very disturbing." Not mindless either, especially when my device is two years old and still cannot find a fricking upgrade for it.
>Seriously, though - MS could stand to copy a few things from the iPhone, along with
>HTC and any other PDA maker, so we can get some refinement in our devices
Yep. They are currently all damned ugly and/or useless.
>8GB onboard storage
I'd trade that for a CF / dual SDHC slot(s) anytime. My card reader is usually faster.
>The iPhone looks good, and will probably outsell the Axim and most other
>Windows Mobile devices in the consumer market
From what I heard in HK, the PDAPhone market is rapidly expanding over there. Kudos to all the ads (a LOT) and previews of the Dopods/O2s.
I should really control my explosive temper
>iPhone: Makes Phone Calls
>Axim: Doesn't make Phone calls
If I have to relist the things that the iPhone can't do, I will...
I am only curious: Why everyboby waited Apple to do that thing?
Even Dell has moved away his assigned developers from Apple's way timely. But everybody else (HTC.. and etc ) continue to sell smartfones with stupid keyboard appendix instead the solid brick of axim or ipod.
Use main rule of designer and developers: GO SIMPLE
>Your mindless hate of non-Axims is a little disturbing
>iPhone: Makes Phone Calls
>Axim: Doesn't make Phone calls
If I have to relist the things that the iPhone can't do, I will...
I think the point is that the iPhone is not a "pocket computer". The Axim is not a phone.
Once you get past step 1, you're on your way ;)
I think the iPhone is awesome. It's not for me, I wouldn't get one. But it's a stunning product. Even from the simple task of playing music it's NOT as good as my iPod (capacity wise). But I think it's the "jack of all trades". Not the "master of all trades".
Looks like it's a great cellphone for most consumer applications. Clearly not for those that spend 8 hours a day on a cellphone away from a charger (and who are these people??).
Clearly it's not meant to displace the Blackberry in the Enterprise space. No Exchange connectivity etc.
And I'd hazard a guess that it's not out to replace Axim in the hands of a hardcore PDA geek, or the PSP in the hands of a gaming geek.
I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise.
So the whole X51 vs iPhone thing is somewhat silly, since it requires an understanding of the target market and potential of both devices, and that seems to be lacking.
If you're a hardcore PDA user I'm quite sure that Jobs would agree that the iPhone is not for you. Ditto if you're a hardcore blackberry user.
But that doesn't mean that it's not looking like a fantastic product, in its space.
Just like the X51 would be completely wasted on my mum. The iPhone would be completely wasted on many of us here.
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Beats the crap out of it for what? Web browsing? For dialing out with your Axim and making voice calls with it? For watching movies? For checking stock prices with 'widgets'? I know my phone crashes when I try to use it as a dial-up modem, so that's out. Your mindless hate of non-Axims is a little disturbing, really - almost as much as those who say that the iPhone is God, that Jobs is the second coming of Jesus, and that it'll crush all Windows devices under its foot because it's shiny...
The iPhone looks good, and will probably outsell the Axim and most other Windows Mobile devices in the consumer market - that's going to be a hard figure to dislodge, if only because Microsoft only really started pushing Windows Mobile recently and Dell never really did much with advertising or putting the Axims into the hands of consumers. Between the lackluster interface of the standard Windows Mobile device, and the lack of publicity and support they get outside of our own geeky or business circles (most people I talk to think 'oh, a PALM!' when I ask them about PDAs - which goes to show you how bad Microsoft's been at evangelizing the OS), it's going to be hard to push these out there.
Yes, the Axim and BT phone combination will be more versatile - WITH the right programs. Which means going out, buying the programs, installing them, configuring them half to death, then running them with about 3-4 clicks in a menu. The hype about the iPhone at the moment is because it looks good (which WM doesn't, unless you skin the heck out of it) and operates in what appears to be a very intuitive fashion - which are things that only Palm's really managed to do with Windows Mobile on the Treo 700 series. And it all comes in one package, ready to go, without the user needing to do anything more other than insert a SIM card into it and then going out to lunch after syncing the thing with iTunes.
Seriously, though - MS could stand to copy a few things from the iPhone, along with HTC and any other PDA maker, so we can get some refinement in our devices. Only the hx4700 series ever had an ambient light sensor, IIRC, for backlight adjustment - that's one feature that's been sorely missing throughout the years. If the next Windows Mobile PDA or phone could use accelerometers to sense when it's time to switch programs into landscape mode, I'd be happy. There are concepts here which could use some shameless copying (802.11g in a handheld, 8GB onboard storage), items which have been slow to trickle down to Windows Mobile because of a general arrogance among Windows Mobile manufacturers due to a lack of effective competition over the past 5 years or so.
Yes, the resolution's not VGA, and the items aren't revolutionary in themselves... but by God, it's the first time we've seen them all in a classy-looking package that actually got the attention of non-techheads. It's those poor, ignorant, moneyed masses which really drive innovation in the marketplace; us early adopters and technogeeks may think we're on the cutting edge of the market... but most companies don't build devices for us - there just aren't enough of us to sell the things to. It's Joe and Jane Q Public, the ones who think the RAZR is the coolest thing since sliced bread despite its substandard specs, that the companies listen to. Now that someone's introduced the idea of auto-landscape mode, brightness sensors, and massive amounts of onboard storage into a consumer device, maybe HTC or someone else will start doing the same with their newer 'consumer' PDA phones.
your mindless bashing of windows mobile devices is pretty disturbing, thats y apple is getting sued, so the iPhone probly wont be released
your mindless bashing of windows mobile devices is pretty disturbing, thats y apple is getting sued, so the iPhone probly wont be released
LOL
Apple is being sued because of Haesslich's mindless bashing of windows? I can see one mindless post on the page straight away and it's not his.
And I laughed even harder that it might not be released.
There are barriers to it being released, but even if Apple and Cisco cannot come to an agreement, there is no way that Apple is going to shelve the product.
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Apple is being sued because of Haesslich's mindless bashing of windows? I can see one mindless post on the page straight away and it's not his.
And I laughed even harder that it might not be released.
There are barriers to it being released, but even if Apple and Cisco cannot come to an agreement, there is no way that Apple is going to shelve the product.
its not because of his posts that apple is getting sued.
your mindless bashing of windows mobile devices is pretty disturbing, thats y apple is getting sued, so the iPhone probly wont be released
For crying out loud, since when did saying "I wish they'd copy some of the damned features" count as bashing? You're the one who keeps bashing every non-Axim device, and who goes on mindless rants about various programs.
The iPod phone is likely to see release, come Hell or high water - between Apple and Cingular, I doubt that that even Cisco could stop it. Steve Jobs, on the other hand, was a moron to call it an iPhone in his Macworld presentation - iPod Phone is more what it is, and describes it in a way which doesn't conflict anyone's copyrights... and as the courts have begun pointing out to him, not everything with an 'i" in front of it is part of Apple's trademark.
The Axim is a PDA. The iPhone is a smartphone - seperate markets. HOWEVER, it has features which could stand copying by anyone else; for one thing, it's not an ugly brick the way HTC has been making most of their PDA phones the past few years, and it has features which only appeared on a few other devices to date (hx4700 = ambient light censor, 8GB storage is not something we've yet seen on a WM device to date, a 'pretty' phone interface with ease-of-use enhancements like those on the Treo).
They're separate devices - the iPhone isn't intended to replace the iPod, although it'll probably cannibalize some of the iPod Nano sales, due to similar feature sets. However, that being said, it's a nice looking phone.. and I wish that HTC or a few other companies would copy some of the features. I mean, why did we have to wait for Apple to introduce the 'auto-landscape mode'? Accelerometers have been around for years - yes, the Wii makes extensive use of them, but they've been about in a relatively convenient and cheap form since about 2003-2004... and the auto-landscape ability is a feature that should've been in WM5, IMO.
Besides, if I'm bashing Windows, then you should've pointing out the areas which showed I was 'bashing Windows'. I'm bashing MS and every other PocketPC manufacturer for not having introduced some of these 'easy to use' features sooner.
of course it's not because of his post. Apple is being sued because of something else.
yea but howard thought i said it was because of haesslich posts that apple is getting sued which clearly isnt the case, he shouldve been smarter than that, anyway i would not shell out $500 for something that can do a little bit less than what the axim can do, the axim supports VGA and the iPhone does not,which it makes it better at playing movies and the axim also has bluetooth which i dont believe the iPhone does which means no handsfree BT headsets or A2DP
yea but howard thought i said it was because of haesslich posts that apple is getting sued which clearly isnt the case, he shouldve been smarter than that, anyway i would not shell out $500 for something that can do a little bit less than what the axim can do, the axim supports VGA and the iPhone does not,which it makes it better at playing movies and the axim also has bluetooth which i dont believe the iPhone does which means no handsfree BT headsets or A2DP
Check your facts - it has BT 2.0, and handsfree support. Again, who goes off on mindless rants? They don't say what profiles it has, but if it has A2DP, then at least they got something right, unlike Motorola.
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