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Old 02-20-07, 05:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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X51V long in the tooth?

I have had an X51V for well over a year - I believe they were introduced over 18 months ago and this still seems to be the top PDA model from Dell.

What's up with that? Isn't 18 months about 3 generations in the computer world? Should we have received newer models with higher rez screens, more memory, faster processor, etc.

Any word on when the next gen is coming out?

p.s. Sorry if this has come up recently as I haven't been to this forum for a while.
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That explains the long time between releases - so the Axim will very soon be dead.
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That explains the long time between releases - so the Axim will very soon be dead.
Even if Dell did continue making PDA's, there isn't actually much "upgraded" out there right now.

Processors have still yet to break the 624mhz barrier, 128mb RAM is available but was equally 18 months ago (Dell just decided for 64MB) and anything higher than 640x480 resolution wouldn't be worth it on a screen that small :)
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Originally Posted by rohanch View Post
Even if Dell did continue making PDA's, there isn't actually much "upgraded" out there right now.

Processors have still yet to break the 624mhz barrier, 128mb RAM is available but was equally 18 months ago (Dell just decided for 64MB) and anything higher than 640x480 resolution wouldn't be worth it on a screen that small :)
I dont see why they couldn't switch from the Xscale to the TRansmetta Cruso (sp?) which scales up and down just like the Xscale but goes upto a gigahertz! (It designed for mobile devices!)

Excluding that 1 processor, though... yea... not much avalible. Many PDAs and PDAphones are still @ 400mhz!
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Even if Dell did continue making PDA's, there isn't actually much "upgraded" out there right now.

Processors have still yet to break the 624mhz barrier, 128mb RAM is available but was equally 18 months ago (Dell just decided for 64MB) and anything higher than 640x480 resolution wouldn't be worth it on a screen that small :)
They haven't upgraded the Xscale CPUs in over 18 months? Who repealed Moore's law for PDA CPUs?

IMHO even if the CPU was the same then it would be nice to have a 16x9 screen in pixels - 860x480 rather than 640x480. A larger battery would be nice - I have the large capacity battery but it sticks out in a rather ungainly manner. Memory is so cheap then why not 512 MB or more, assuming that the CPU can address that much. How about a 2 GB (or 4 GB) built in flash drive - I just bought a 2 GB USB drive so they can't add much to the cost.

What else - built in GPS, 802.11 draft n wifi (with upgradable firmware for when the standard is finalized), Wimax, Bluetooth that works properly out of the box
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My X30H is still doing everything I need... over 2 1/2 years now...
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I'm a bit long in the tooth as well and like things that work. My X50v and X51v are still the best PDA's on the market so I"ll keep them and if they put on a fire sale, I'll buy a backup X51V.
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They haven't upgraded the Xscale CPUs in over 18 months? Who repealed Moore's law for PDA CPUs?
Actually, more like over 30 months. I got my X50v in November of 2004! It's disappointing to see that all of the newer PDA phones still can't come close to the specs of my 2.5 year-old X50v. That said, I'm really hoping that we'll see some Monahan-class WM6 offerings by summer (probably not from Dell, though).
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The added RAM would be great for OS space too, not just program and data storage like we do with SD cards. And my next device will have nothing less than a 5 inch screen. These 3.7 inchers are killer on the eyes. Dell could make a 2/4GB model with the same processor and a larger screen with WM5/6 and us stupid fanatics would eat it up. A real "A" type usb port would be nice, too, especially if it would support a printer/usb memory stick/keyboard.

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I bought my X50/520 back in December of 2004 and it's still running like new. I haven't developed the need for anything particularly more powerful yet. The screen's still fine as is the performance.

As for why the PDA market hasn't yielded faster performing units - I'll venture a guess. I'd be willing to bet that the technology behind the power (batteries) has reached a bit of a stall right now. To put faster processors in these boxes you would shorten the battery life. OK ... the newer processors might also be lower power per MHz - but it still might be more of a power drain to double the performance of a handheld. If my experience is worth anything - nothing I'm doing on my PPC is much of a limitation when it comes to speed. The manufacturers may have realized this - so instead of making them higher-performance as they are they're cramming phones into them. Once that has happened I wouldn't be surprised to see higher performance chips follow - but only once the battery technology can deal with it. Who wants a PPC/Phone that has a battery life of 2 hours?

I'm also very un-inclined to want a Phone/PDA combination. I'd rather my phone be just that - my phone. It's not very often that the functionality of those two devices winds up overlapping in my case with the exception of a contact's phone number or something.

My thinking here is along the same lines as someone who posted earlier, I think. In my particular case the technology is reaching a leveling-off point. I've already got more capability than I'm using so - unless I'm replacing my unit why would I want to upgrade? I.E. unless I'm just hot to get some new gadget I'm not motivated to fix a problem I don't have. Same thing with Vista ... but that's another thread.

To answer the original question: "Is the X51V 'long in the tooth'?". I wouldn't say so. I think a device that you have can only be described that way if it's about to quit working or has somehow become inadequate for what you need it for. I have a hammer that's 20 years old sitting in my garage. It could be described as "long in the tooth" I guess - but it hasn't broken and it still drives nails as well as it did 20 years ago. About all that's "long in the tooth" in that regard is ME!

Just my 2 cents.

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