THUD's WM5 on x50v Story.... - Page 2

THUD · 05-08-07, 02:11 PM

EMERGENCY UPDATE :........Machine just self Hard reset...

never had this happen before...lost everything...now it wont switch on

Will update soon

THUD · 05-09-07, 02:21 AM

UPDATE : 9th May 2007....

WM5 has failed me, for some strange reason while trying to connect to my bluetooth GPS, the device just Hard reset, no warning, no nothing, it then would not turn on...eventually it did, so this has really made me nervous and am now thinking about this whole WM5 thing here is what I conclude to this rather boring yawnfull to you lot probably experiment....

When I actually stopped to think about all this, why am I trying to make something work when really it already does work tremendously well already...

On WM5 even though yes it has been running all fine, some good pro points and some pretty bad points too, yet why....I have 90MB sitting on the machine doing nothing as I am scared the evil Compaction Beast will come out of his dark place where no info goes to freeze everyone in sight until he returns to his slumber...
I will have to buy the syncronation software after the trial runs out, just so I can have the device sync as it used to with 2003....I really don't want to try and use PIE when Opera runs so well and it really is brilliant, I am just convincing myself I don't need it...I am constantly comparing things I install to how it ran on 2003SE and 95% of the time it runs the slightly slower or the same, only a few items run marginally better....

So after about two weeks working and testing WM5 hard...I have come to the conclusion 'What is the Point' so now I have Reverted back for the third time and final time to 2003SE....guess what, its just syncronised all files perfectly first time....now I can relax...thanks for advice on WM5 and good luck to you all trying it...So there ends my Updates...

WM5 on x50v.....runs well, but constantly battling to not let anything save to internal memory drags you down, the will this work feeling is with you all the time...I know 2003 sounds a long time ago, but it really is a lot newer than 2005...

bestof76 · 05-09-07, 03:37 AM

Thanks for this very good and detailed explanations of using WM5 on a X50v. I tried WM5 on X50v myself for the last two weeks and get very angry with it!
Now I will step back to WM2003 and hopefully I'm much luckier with it.....

Mokubai · 05-09-07, 07:26 AM

Thanks for the updates Thud, I have been very interested in how this went for you...

I've never used WM2003 at all and would love to be able to compare an X50v WM2003 with an X51v, there have been times when I'm curious as to whether WM2003 is better in general.

I like WM5, but I don't have any way to directly compare the two systems to see which I would prefer.

greenglide · 05-09-07, 08:58 AM

I suppose it's like Windows Vista - if you've never used XP you wouldn't know what you are missing :rolling:

Still happily using WM5 on my X50V but I don't use it hard and it just, err, works

makuu · 05-09-07, 09:25 AM

The good thing with the x50v is that you can either run it with WM2003SE or WM5. If you like it better on WM2003SE then no need to run it under WM5.
I prefer WM5 because I have a lot of apps installed on my x50V and WM5 is great for handling the memory. No matter what I am keep installing on it I will still have my 28 Mo free to run my 2700G games. Also I like persistent storage so If I leave it inactive for months I don't need to worry about loosing data.

I don't know what could have hard reset your device, it never happened to mine, WM5 is quite stable on it. I don't have experienced random soft reset either.

THUD · 05-09-07, 09:53 AM

Thanks for all the advice Makuu, you sure do know your stuff, really helpfull, Now I have installed 2003SE again, this definately suits my way of working...

I guess due to the fact I am constantly opening and closing applications, adding appointments tasks and GPS navigation, I need speed over anything else, also I dont use the device for games, PSP does that for me, well appart from virtual Pool this is one great game for the Axim...

I get to use the Wisbar again, which is super fast to find programs etc...also Opera runs perfectly too, syncing is actually faster and works perfectly...yes I agree about the better handling of memory and persistent storage, yet to leave that 90MB of internal just sitting there is odd...

FunkyCowie · 05-09-07, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by makuu

The good thing with the x50v is that you can either run it with WM2003SE or WM5. If you like it better on WM2003SE then no need to run it under WM5.
I prefer WM5 because I have a lot of apps installed on my x50V and WM5 is great for handling the memory. No matter what I am keep installing on it I will still have my 28 Mo free to run my 2700G games. Also I like persistent storage so If I leave it inactive for months I don't need to worry about loosing data.

I don't know what could have hard reset your device, it never happened to mine, WM5 is quite stable on it. I don't have experienced random soft reset either.

28MB free? Thats one of the main reasons I quit from WM5 even though I lasted a few months tweaking and praying, in W2K3 I have near 40MBs of memory free (39.7) and it just runs smoother than WM5, going back (I have tried WM5 6 times on A01 and 2 times on A02) is just so nice even though graphically it lacks but thats why I have Wisbar Adavance/Desktop. For persistant storage I use sprite backup, if I need to Hard reset or my battery accidently runs out then I just click on my backup and soft rest and there my system is like new :)

makuu · 05-09-07, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by FunkyCowie

28MB free? Thats one of the main reasons I quit from WM5 even though I lasted a few months tweaking and praying, in W2K3 I have near 40MBs of memory free (39.7) and it just runs smoother than WM5, going back (I have tried WM5 6 times on A01 and 2 times on A02) is just so nice even though graphically it lacks but thats why I have Wisbar Adavance/Desktop. For persistant storage I use sprite backup, if I need to Hard reset or my battery accidently runs out then I just click on my backup and soft rest and there my system is like new :)

Like I mentioned before it's good for you if you are satisfied with your x50v running on WM2003SE. But for having all program that I have even installed on the SD card using my x50v under WM2003 SE I would have about 22 Mo free to run the program. If you really have 39.7 Mo free it means that you don't have many program installed in your x50v because 39.7 Mo free to run program is what I have on a WM2003 x50v after a hard reset.

Also I also keep a second x50v under WM2003 SE, that I rarely use but each time I want to use it I am lazy to wait the restore by spb backup, and finally I don't use it at all. I will probably upgrade it to WM5 also so I won't need to worry about backup on it. For the use I have I would need to have 128 Mo of ram on a WM2003 SE x50v (that is what I had on my e800). Finally I find it more economical and user friendly to have a WM5 x50v with 64 Mo than a WM2003 SE x50v with 128 Mo of ram.

And yes My WM5 x50v runs as smoothly as the WM2003 one with the same amount of program installed sometime even faster.

FunkyCowie · 05-09-07, 05:06 PM

if I could point you to a post about keeping as much ram as free as possible I would... but I can`t remember who posted it... but I have about 15 pieces of software installed including TomTom 6, Pocket artist, Pocket Mechanic, Memmaid, Resco Audio, Resco Explorer, Wisbar Adance/Desktop, Memory Map, Hub Dog, TCPMP, SKTools, Spite Backup and a few games... most software I have installed that has to be installed to main memory I have been able to to move to BIS and have it still run fine.

I stuck with WM5 using all the hacks and kept it nice and it lasted for about 3 or 4 months then weird stuff kept happening leading to white screens and then mysterious over night drains and finally non functional, so I had to upgrade to W2K3 to get my bricked axim working again.

EDIT: Found it... http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=120924

makuu · 05-10-07, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by FunkyCowie

if I could point you to a post about keeping as much ram as free as possible I would... but I can`t remember who posted it... but I have about 15 pieces of software installed including TomTom 6, Pocket artist, Pocket Mechanic, Memmaid, Resco Audio, Resco Explorer, Wisbar Adance/Desktop, Memory Map, Hub Dog, TCPMP, SKTools, Spite Backup and a few games... most software I have installed that has to be installed to main memory I have been able to to move to BIS and have it still run fine.

I stuck with WM5 using all the hacks and kept it nice and it lasted for about 3 or 4 months then weird stuff kept happening leading to white screens and then mysterious over night drains and finally non functional, so I had to upgrade to W2K3 to get my bricked axim working again.

EDIT: Found it... http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=120924

I have also published a tutorial on how to free ram of the WM2003 x50v on our french website. So even with applying all the tricks like moving dll to BIS and changing path in registry, free /windows dir of all html help file and unnecessary jpg or skn, There is a point where when you have that much apps that I have and I cannot free more than 22 Mo available for running the programs. I have even modified .exe and .dll using an hexeditor to change hard coded path to BIS.
So it's probably not the same for every x50v user but for me WM5 is a real benefit.

FunkyCowie · 05-10-07, 01:13 PM

fair enough, just how much software do you have?

makuu · 05-10-07, 03:44 PM

More than 70.

FunkyCowie · 05-11-07, 01:57 PM

ick... and you use it all? I mean what I have is pretty much all I'd ever use cos most of my work (3D animation related) can only be done on a workstation, the pda gets used for prep work. You still manage to keep 28MBs free in WM5 with 70 apps installed? *bows to the master*

THUD · 05-12-07, 02:28 AM

Hey Funky COwie......snap 3d Animations/illustration, same here.

Back to the WM5 thing....I would definately use WM5 over 2003SE...if someone can guide me past these problems...

Constantly having to move stuff from main memory to SD.
Never using the 90MB internal storage. WHat a waste...
No browser works nicely appart from the crappy PIE....
Wisbar completely destroys the system performance....
Activesync and office 07 problems with contacts
Activesync slow response

Things I love about WM5...

GPS, bluetooth setup is better and more reliable.
Wifi is quicker...
Battery life is definately better.
the newer overall layout is cleaner and easier.
Hardly any reason to soft reset ( now back with 2003 its a daily thing)
It never seems to drain any battery over night whilst off
always had a lot more usable memory and also you can have more open at any one time