True Radimus, and well brought out points, but what about the thousands of posts regarding the Broadcom BT stack, how to install it, how it works, people helping people, etc. A lot of Axim owners were disappointed in the lacking BT stack, and happy to install, offer the link on this site, talk about it, test it, help the developers improve, etc., etc., ALL ON AXIMSITE. It was a great project with great results.
For me (and I don't even own an Axim anymore, I have a HTC smartphone, and my service provider gave the link for a free WM6 upgrade... hmm... wonder why Dell never offered such a thing... oh well, another topic there about Dell going down the tube, and suffering GREATLY in customer service). Anyways, for me, it's not just about the letter of the law in regards to this, but the spirit, and even what's best.
If I had an Axim, I would want to install WM6 if it works better, and improve my device. Sure, Dell abandoned it's customers, but if I can improve my device by the hard work of others, why not? If we can work together to improve and tweak it, why not? And, I ask why not because of the precedent set by the Broadcom BT threads. The mods say it's not whimsical, but none can answer why the different stance in regards to these two very similar issues.
I'm not trying to be a pain, but ya, I am trying to push the envelope a touch. I understand that perhaps MS has warned Aximsite, and that's why the quick reaction, but who knows.
IMHO, Dell should work with these guys, install WM6 on a bunch of new AXIM X51v's, sell them, and make a quick killing.
True Radimus, and well brought out points, but what about the thousands of posts regarding the Broadcom BT stack, how to install it, how it works, people helping people, etc. A lot of Axim owners were disappointed in the lacking BT stack, and happy to install, offer the link on this site, talk about it, test it, help the developers improve, etc., etc., ALL ON AXIMSITE. It was a great project with great results.
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If I had an Axim, I would want to install WM6 if it works better, and improve my device. Sure, Dell abandoned it's customers, but if I can improve my device by the hard work of others, why not? If we can work together to improve and tweak it, why not? And, I ask why not because of the precedent set by the Broadcom BT threads. The mods say it's not whimsical, but none can answer why the different stance in regards to these two very similar issues.
The only things I can think of off hand are:
1. The details of the licensing of broadcom BT stack software... I don't know what their deal is.
2. MS made a real stink recently about illegal ROMs, Broadcom hasn't... or at least didn't at that time.
In any case, to paraphrase Andy, if A was wrong does that excuse B from being wrong as well.
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1. The details of the licensing of broadcom BT stack software... I don't know what their deal is.
Yes. Unless someone here can post Widcomm's actual licensing aggreement, then this topic is a big question mark.
Originally Posted by radimus
The only things I can think of off hand are:
2. MS made a real stink recently about illegal ROMs, Broadcom hasn't... or at least didn't at that time.
If someone who is robbed doesn't report the crime, it doesn't mean that there was no crime.
Originally Posted by radimus
In any case, to paraphrase Andy, if A was wrong does that excuse B from being wrong as well.
Precisely, if A (the illegal ROM) is wrong, why is B(Widcomm) excused from being wrong as well. I thinks that was Edge444's point to begin with, something that deals with consistency.
1. The details of the licensing of broadcom BT stack software... I don't know what their deal is.
2. MS made a real stink recently about illegal ROMs, Broadcom hasn't... or at least didn't at that time.
In any case, to paraphrase Andy, if A was wrong does that excuse B from being wrong as well.
lol of course we'd all expect conservative radimus to agree with conservative decision by conservative mods.
well i for one would love to chat on here about how brilliant WM6 is on my x50v...
basically, this device is and has been given a new upto date lease of life, this news should be rejoiced and celebrated not condemed, just because it was created by enthusiasts and not a corporate big cheese that never reallly bothered to develop the axims at all well...
Will it be possible to give each other feedback on their personal experience with such a rom as long as NO links are given or even go as far as not even mentioning where it was from,we can all access google for that information?
Yes. Unless someone here can post Widcomm's actual licensing aggreement, then this topic is a big question mark.
If someone who is robbed doesn't report the crime, it doesn't mean that there was no crime.
Precisely, if A (the illegal ROM) is wrong, why is B(Widcomm) excused from being wrong as well. I thinks that was Edge444's point to begin with, something that deals with consistency.
Conversely, we know the illegal ROMs are illegal, therefore the issue of this thread is solved... period.
If the broadcom is an issue that has happened in the past, I'm sure the whole threads can be locked or deleted now.
Consistency works both ways.
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There are plenty of places to go to talk about this, I think the Idea of not linking to these roms is a safety net for new and uninformed users who don't really don't know the consequences of flashing a rom like this, and the fact that the rom is still Beta makes it more serious. Not to mention the Illegality. give it a break!
Ok, this is what I said.
YES, they should allow discussion on the new ROM, but links to the source should be deleted.
Now, we all know that these ROM's are illegal. No one will argue with that...
But we should be able to talk about them, but not post any links. If the user really wants to get involved with this illegal stuff, he/she can Google it to find more about this.
But, as we all know, these ROM's are a lot better than Dell's. What would it do if we talked about them? Nothing...really... Those users that are posting links to the ROM, and publishing it right on the site, that is wrong in so many ways.
Now, the X50v users are pretty happy with that WM5 hacked ROM... I heard it makes the PDA jump into speed...
BUT, in the Windows Mobile license, it says, "shall not modify the contents of WM (or something similar to it)". So, we are not giving links for the user to modify his/her ROM, we are just talking about it. When you think about it, Football and all the other people involved in these ROM's are in more trouble than the people using them. That is my opinion....
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But we should be able to talk about them, but not post any links. If the user really wants to get involved with this illegal stuff, he/she can Google it to find more about this.
If someone really wants to get invovled.. why aren't they googling and finding a forum where it can currently be discussed?
Originally Posted by hauyf
Is WM6 is free upgrade for all WM5 device?
No it isn't free... so that argument isn't really relevent
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Maybe this is irrelevant but are people objecting to the Idea that they can be censored by the mods, even though they agreed to abide by the rules of the site when they registered?
A free speech issue, nothing really to do with the Rom
This site is run by a great crew of people that freely spend their time and efforts to allow users to collect information and assist others. When they receive a legal request from M$ to remove such discussion they have that option to do so or not. They have decided to not allow this content and we should respect their decision and move on. If users want more information on this subject it can easly be found with a simple use of 'Google' search. Lets move on to something more productive is my vote.
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