Do you feel discussion on WM6 upgrade for the Axim should be allowed here?

edge777 · 08-14-07, 06:45 PM

Not sure if this thread will be allowed, but just wondering what you all feel Aximsite should allow? Should we be able to discuss a ROM which isn't financially hurting anybody (Dell doesn't sell them anymore, and they're not planning to sell anymore)? Or, is this keeping money out of Microsoft's hands because users who would be going to buy new WM6 devices are now hanging back on Axims? Or, is it good for Aximsite because their core devices have now been breathed new life, and it could likely breathe new life into Aximsite (I spent the most time here because of the great conversations around the WM5 upgrade for the X50v)? Or, why do you think Aximsite allowed a great deal of discussion, and even the link post, to the illegal Broadcom BT stack (some of the most popular threads on this site)? Hmm, is there consistency, fear, poor policy.

There is a GREAT deal to discuss, and I'm hoping Aximsite will keep this thread open, and listen to the opinions of their users. I also hope advertisers will keep track of this thread.

control · 08-14-07, 07:13 PM

I don't think there's any harm in discussing it but invariably links will pop up from time to time which I'd imagine could open the site to legal issues.

Elrendhel · 08-14-07, 07:14 PM

I'm happy to allow the thread as it is now.

Actually, it all boils down to to the question: "Is the WM6 ROM in question legal". Whether or not you think the use of the ROM is not really hurting anyone financially is not relevant.

Please feel free to contact Microsoft and confirm that they whole-heartedly endorse your position. If they do, we can make changes to our policy.

dk1 · 08-14-07, 08:02 PM

First off Microsoft is not making the software available to our market, therefore it is not illegal for us to violate the copy right, reverse engineer, hack or what ever else you want to call it. It would be different if the product was offered to Axim users but it is not, so fair is fair. Let the majority of Axim users decide the legality.

harpgliss · 08-14-07, 08:05 PM

Hi,

Does this really make a lot of sense to have?

It has already been decided by the mods and owner that it is something that is not condoned.

If you disagree with the policy, it really does not matter as the decision is not going to be overturned.

If it is fun to hit your head against a brick wall, go for it.

I find it only gives me a very sore head.

SteveFLHTCI · 08-14-07, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Elrendhel

I'm happy to allow the thread as it is now.

Actually, it all boils down to to the question: "Is the WM6 ROM in question legal". Whether or not you think the use of the ROM is not really hurting anyone financially is not relevant.

Please feel free to contact Microsoft and confirm that they whole-heartedly endorse your position. If they do, we can make changes to our policy.

Now THAT'S funny, I don't care who y'are. I'd pay money to see someone get Microsoft to endorse this.

I'm not a Moderator and I have no horse in this race. My x51v is quite happy with WM5. A hacked ROM is pirateware no matter how you look at it and the Moderators are not only within their rights, but are legally responsible for keeping such links off of the site. The DISCUSSION, however, as long as no links, however cleverly disguised, should be within the realms of what we can discuss on here.

harpgliss · 08-14-07, 08:12 PM

Hi,

Originally Posted by dk1

First off Microsoft is not making the software available to our market, therefore it is not illegal for us to violate the copy right, reverse engineer, hack or what ever else you want to call it. It would be different if the product was offered to Axim users but it is not, so fair is fair. Let the majority of Axim users decide the legality.

This a load of bullstuff of the highest order.

Dell is the one deciding to not make it available.

Axim users decide which laws are applicable in this situation? Preposterous thought.

I am all for the discussion as I have followed it elsewhere but it is not for the members to tell the mods or owner how to run this site.

edge777 · 08-14-07, 08:18 PM

So, the users who make this sight happen should not have any voice or be able to offer suggestion? Do the mods have to listen to us? Of course not! Might they want to listen to their users in regards to policy? Hmm, maybe, just maybe, eh?

I dunno, I'm the kinda leader that listens to those who work with me, I covet their advice, I love it when they challenge my positions (not because they're being disloyal, but rather because they make me think of why I do certain things). Without great people, offering me great advice, I get lazy, and start settling for the status quo.

For some it might sound like beating your head against the wall. For me, it's challenging Aximsite so they don't settle for the status quo.

harpgliss · 08-14-07, 08:36 PM

Hi,

Originally Posted by edge777

I dunno, I'm the kinda leader that listens to those who work with me, I covet their advice, I love it when they challenge my positions (not because they're being disloyal, but rather because they make me think of why I do certain things). Without great people, offering me great advice

This is a great attitude and it would be great if the administration would take the majority of users opinions into account but at the end of the day, it appears it is a different situation here and not likely to change.

The illegality, real or imagined appears to be the main issue and again, not likely to change here.

There are sites that feel the way some users here feel and post information such as this but this site does not.

Who is right and who is wrong,depends on your POV.

dk1 · 08-14-07, 08:40 PM

If a cure for cancer was discovered tomorrow and the discoverer said that he was not going to give the cure to all left handed people with cancer, don't you feel that it would be okay for left handed people to copy and mass produce the cure for themselves?

The site owner and moderator's need to stop policing the members, let us decide the moral and legal issues of roms.

NamelessPlayer · 08-14-07, 09:10 PM

I say that everyone should be permitted to at least discuss these third-party ROMs.

Linking to them, on the other hand...given that threatening message by M$ to xda-developers.com, I'm not surprised about the Aximsite staff's stance here on such ROMs, since they don't want Aximsite to be targeted as well. If we can't link to the ROMs, so be it.

But at least let us talk about them! These forums would get pretty stale otherwise.

harpgliss · 08-14-07, 09:16 PM

Hi,

Originally Posted by dk1

If a cure for cancer was discovered tomorrow and the discoverer said that he was not going to give the cure to all left handed people with cancer, don't you feel that it would be okay for left handed people to copy and mass produce the cure for themselves?

The site owner and moderator's need to stop policing the members, let us decide the moral and legal issues of roms.

WOW!

Not even sure this needs a reply, I think it speaks for itself.

WOW! sorry but it deserved a second one.

Ashton · 08-14-07, 09:27 PM

If you want to talk about WM6 why dont you just go down to the WM6 board and start disccusing, but not tell the device you have! Or set up a code, like "I have the D1 wm06 ROM" D = Dell Axim X51v

or you could just go to XDA developers like the rest of us...

either way, I dont see why we're rehashing this over and over and over and over again....

deadlyvirus · 08-14-07, 10:14 PM

humpfz... does it really matter to discuss it here or on another forum?! the fact is, wm6 for the axim is illegal, it contains no copyrighted material, so in fact it is just as bad as cracking applications, imho discussing about it is just as bad as just giving the download link. So i think the line should be drawn to not discuss the wm6 hacked roms (of any kind).

**radimus** · 08-15-07, 12:05 AM

There are 2 items here that some people seem to be confusing.
1: WM6
2: hacked and illegal software.

If you want to talk WM6, talk WM6... the device it is running on is virtually immaterial... except whether it is a PPC phone device or not, who cares about the model device.

a hacked ROM to install an OS onto a machine that is not licensed for it is ILLEGAL, regardless of whether the developer abandoned it or not. If someone wants to point out that some hacker/developer has done so, then great.. but I do not see any reason that it needs to be supported at this site.

If you have software problems while running a hacked ROM on your device, well that is your problem and NOT aximsite/mobilitysite's problem nor responsibility to support the illegal software

There is a long lived policy here about talking abour WAREZ and an illegal ROM is no different than that.

So talk about WM6 problems all day and enjoy the site, talk about illegal software and it will be removed/closed/warned as deemed appropriate.