Hi guys,
I welcome your new decision.
until today I was reluctant to try the new WM6 because I was afraid of lack of support in case of trouble - but no more!
This is a perfect example of my point. BECAUSE of the decision to allow discussion of illegal ROMs there are many who will, AS A RESULT, download and use illegal ROMs when they would not have otherwise done so.
And for one of the first tests of the statement:
Originally Posted by Chris Leckness
We're not going to write up a FAQ on how to obtain, install, or setup any shady ROMs, but we are going to attempt, as a community, to help folks fix their Axim.
VS
Originally Posted by hofshi
Hi guys,
I would appreciate your guidance as to how to upgrade my x51v wm5 a12 device to wm6.
So: Reply, ignore, modify, or delete?
And finally:
Originally Posted by Chris Leckness
Basicly, it's ok now, but we still stand by no hosting of files that are not legal here on our servers.
Doesn't that roughly translate to 'I won't give you the crowbar and lock pick set, but if you ask my main man over there he'll supply you with everything you need to know to commit the crime.'?
John
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What really sucks about all this is that I am going to get beat up no matter what I do. Which ever way I decide.
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Don't take it too hard Chris, it's always the minority on both sides that do that.
The quiet majority are happy to follow what You decide for Your website.
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What really sucks about all this is that I am going to get beat up no matter what I do. Which ever way I decide.
This will be my last post on this but just something I need to post.
The almost total about face is baffling for some users here, including me.
Yes, you own the site but when you institute policies, are we not allowed to question reasons if we do not understand or agree with them.
You ask for input and participation but then complain when the participation is not what you anticipate or expect.
This is just the nature of forums.
The flipflop is baffling after the staff had been so adamant on the exclusion of this discussion.
Your site, your rules, but do not be surprised if people question what they do not understand or agree with.
This site has been around for how many years now? and you just now seeing that you will have people question a policy like this no matter which way you go with it?
Don't take it too hard Chris, it's always the minority extremists on both sides that do that.
The quiet majority are happy to follow what You decide for Your website.
O.K. I have to comment on this.
Minority extremist?
Boy, Now we sound like terrorists or something of the like.
Maybe I put a little bit too much into your posted statement but when that is what I and others are judged and labeled by, then I use the same to do the same.
Never thought of someone who questions reasons was an extremist.
Have to keep from posting here anymore now, I guess.
The true meaning of the word Extremist is only a person from one extreme or the other.
It doesn't make them a terrorist.
I used the word in it's original sense.
This will be my last post on this but just something I need to post.
The almost total about face is baffling for some users here, including me.
Yes, you own the site but when you institute policies, are we not allowed to question reasons if we do not understand or agree with them.
You ask for input and participation but then complain when the participation is not what you anticipate or expect.
This is just the nature of forums.
The flipflop is baffling after the staff had been so adamant on the exclusion of this discussion.
Your site, your rules, but do not be surprised if people question what they do not understand or agree with.
This site has been around for how many years now? and you just now seeing that you will have people question a policy like this no matter which way you go with it?
When Chris & the moderators discussed the policy ad nauseum last year, we went around and around about it before we settled on it. At the time Chris mentioned that he might want to revisit it again sometime in the future.
You seem to think there is some kind of hidden agenda here....there isn't. Lately, I've read threads from users who have come here seeking help when they bricked their devices by attempting to update it to WM6.0. The policy made it difficult for anyone here to help them. In some respects, those threads have been the impetus to relaxing our position.
Don't read so much into this policy change. Relaxing the forum policy makes it easier for forum members to help users who come here seeking help. People who really want to upgrade their pocket pcs to these questionable ROMs will go ahead and do it with or without a policy and they will do so at their own risk.
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Well, anyway, thx. Now I can "get to know" WM6 a bit better. We haven't talked or introduced ourselves yet, but I'm gonna take it out dinner, and maybe :love:...... when we get home...... keep it installed :approve:. That is, unless it crashes my Ax and dumps me
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The true meaning of the word Extremist is only a person from one extreme or the other.
It doesn't make them a terrorist.
I used the word in it's original sense.
Extremist: an adherent or advocate of extremism;
: Radical
: Of, relating to, or favoring extremism or extremists.
Source: Merriam Webster Unabridged.
Julie, not thinking there is a hidden agenda nor did I imply from my posts this idea.
Just the policy and the reason for the ban on the discussion was so specific and for a particular reason that, the last I looked, Microsoft was still around still employed lawyers.
And this was the reason for the ban and did this change?
Are they no longer suing or prosecuting for copyright infringement or going after sites that condone or promote such action?
Again, this is a privately owned site and can set whatever policy the owner wants, but I had just not seen the original reason change.
Some people will never be happy no matter what you do. I personally applaud you for having the courage to revisit something with your staff and change your mind. You will get holier than thou and conspiracy theory types, but that should quit after a while.
Personally I always though it was bad business practice to go after modders. In general most people buy devices and like to play around with them. If they do things that are not harmful and enhance the device who cares? Sony, Apple, and Microsoft both spend lots of time trying to stop people from modding their devices. The iBrick fiasco was nothing, but bad P.R. for Apple. Dell doesn't support WM6 and leaves us in the learch with a half functional version of WM5. Somebody takes their time and makes a better version than Dell and this is bad? Most on here would love to pay for a WM6 upgrade, but can't. So they find other ways.
When the original decision was made, it was unclear at that point to what extent the copyright holders were protecting their works, i.e. would they send C&D letters to websites/forums that included any discussion, or links to, illegal ROMs, or would a website only be held accountable if it hosted said ROMs on its servers? That unknown quantity was key; it seemed reasonable to assume that discussion of illegal ROMs was legal, but that did not mean that the copyright holders would attempt to stop it anyway. And that lead to another issue: would our relationship with the copyright holders, and other manufacturers, be damaged by allowing such practices?
So, we played it safe. If a C&D had been received, Chris could have done nothing other than remove all discussion/links, and his relationship with key contacts may well have been irreparably damaged. It was a lose-lose situation.
The landscape in which we made that decision appears to have changed. The copyright holders are not actively seeking to prevent discussion of illegal ROMs on a device that is essentially no longer supported. Relationships remain on good terms. We do not, of course, allow for the hosting of any illegal ROMs, because Chris could be held liable for distributing copyrighted works.
To my mind, at no point in the process have any decisions been taken on the basis of morality. It has been about legality, and business efficacy. Those who point to the contradictory nature of our change in stance are, to my mind, missing the point - Aximsite has never sought to impose some kind of communal morality on its members. As long as it is legal, and it will not potentially affect the future of the site, then we will allow it. Those two requirements have now been satisfied.
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When the original decision was made, it was unclear at that point to what extent the copyright holders were protecting their works, i.e. would they send C&D letters to websites/forums that included any discussion, or links to, illegal ROMs, or would a website only be held accountable if it hosted said ROMs on its servers? That unknown quantity was key; it seemed reasonable to assume that discussion of illegal ROMs was legal, but that did not mean that the copyright holders would attempt to stop it anyway. And that lead to another issue: would our relationship with the copyright holders, and other manufacturers, be damaged by allowing such practices?
So, we played it safe. If a C&D had been received, Chris could have done nothing other than remove all discussion/links, and his relationship with key contacts may well have been irreparably damaged. It was a lose-lose situation.
The landscape in which we made that decision appears to have changed. The copyright holders are not actively seeking to prevent discussion of illegal ROMs on a device that is essentially no longer supported. Relationships remain on good terms. We do not, of course, allow for the hosting of any illegal ROMs, because Chris could be held liable for distributing copyrighted works.
To my mind, at no point in the process have any decisions been taken on the basis of morality. It has been about legality, and business efficacy. Those who point to the contradictory nature of our change in stance are, to my mind, missing the point - Aximsite has never sought to impose some kind of communal morality on its members. As long as it is legal, and it will not potentially affect the future of the site, then we will allow it. Those two requirements have now been satisfied.
Thank you for this post.
Answers my question to A T'.
Never thought it was about the morality, just wanted to know what had changed for the policy to change.
If this had been explained in the original statement, I think it could have saved some inflamed feelings within the thread.
If I gave the feeling I was not happy with the changed policy, it was not my intent.
The policy was, and is now what it is.
Personally, I am using one of the roms and always found a place to discuss it if I needed to.
So the policy here, though inconvenient was not a big issue and is not now as I am happy with the rom I am using and will have a new pda before I think of doing any more flashing.
Will be a big plus for those who have had or will have issues that there will be help here available.
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