1. As stated earlier, where it is legally being offered, it is offered as a FREE upgrade. Yes for those who purchased a WM6 unit a portion of the cost went to M$ in licensing fees but they will in all likelihood receive FREE upgrades for WM7 and beyond. They will only pay that licensing fee ONCE at the time of purchase. Just as I did when I purchased my brand new x51v from Dell in 2006. Hence, I am not denying M$ addt money.
ROTFLMAO......
Please cite brands and models that are getting 'free' upgrades to WM6. While your at it, please cite what percentage of WM5 models shipped are getting free or otherwise upgrades to WM6. Even better yet, please feel free to cite JUST ONE EXAMPLE of a Windows Mobile powered PDA that got TWO free or otherwise OS upgrades.
If a OEM provides the upgrade free or otherwise, the OEM is bound (by licensing terms) to pay MS for each copy of the OS that they ship. Regardless of the price the OEM charges (or not) the customer.
In the handheld world, its very RARE that an OEM offers a free or otherwise upgrade. (Example: Only a few Intel chiped devices were offered upgrades from WM2000 to WM2002. Not all WM2002 models were upgradeable to WM2003 when it came out. The best coverage, upgrade wise that I'm aware of was the offeres for upgrades from Wm3 to WM3.3. Because of incompatible differences in hardware, very very few WM5 upgrades were offered to WM3.3 owners.
In fact, I think you'll find that the overwhelming majority of OEM's that make PDA's or WM powered devices ship those devices as 'finished products' . When newer versions of WM comes out, %99 of the time the OEM creates a completely NEW model to go along with it and does NOT offer any sort of upgrade outside of simply buying a newer model to its existing users.
(for example, if I have a WM5 PHONE, I'd need to buy a NEW PHONE with WM6.x on it if I wanted WM6.x)
John Lennon and karma.... you crack me up dude....
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2. If my memory serves me correctly, wasn't it Bill Gates and M$ that basically hacked and modified Steve Jobs' windows-based OS to create Windows.
er... your memory is completely and utterly wrong.... They didn't
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The logic here, or should I say lack of, is astounding. A device is not obsolete just because something new comes out. If you believe that, the media has hypnotized you. Dell NEVER promised you anything other than the device that you bought at the time should work with the software Dell provided with it, at that time. Admittedly, that's not been perfect but that's not an excuse to use WM6 illegally. Just because you buy something once, that doesn't entitle you to free upgrades forever, unless stated in the license (which it wasn't). And the most laughable, whether Gates took ideas from Jobs for Windows is irrelevant to this conversation - you're just looking for a reason to use WM6 illegally.
IMO, at this point in time, there is no legal way to use WM6 on any Dell PDA because Dell (or yourself) never paid for the license. So far, everyone is just trying to ease their conscience with these lame excuses. On the other hand, discussion of WM6 on a Dell PDA is anther story that's obviously not as clear cut.
Can't really get to grips with this thread, the easy thing is if you don't want to use WM6 then don't read the thread, I'd love to upgrade my x50v to the new platform as its a great workhorse and as with everything I like to keep my software upto date. I bought it with 2003se ...... then dell stopped making upgrades. I managed to get an upgrade CD from the US but could not get one in the UK. I then had to download WM5 as it was not made available by either Dell or Microsoft.
I would love to pay for an upgrade to WM6 just to keep up with the times and add any additional functions, but thats not to be....... so i'll have to get it elsewhere..... i don't really want to but if i can't get it through dell/microsoft then how do I
It's like the music industry in some ways........... I collect music by various bands but the record companies won't re-issue the music on CD's or make it available for download....... is that my fault....... nope! I have contacted them about it and they just say its not in their interest to release it..... so the artist can't make money on their own work! and I can't buy it....... so that's when I look of it on-line the only way to stamp out downloads is for the industry any industry to make it available to everyone.
My Axim has years of life left in it...... but with 2003 se it would now not run most of the new software i use and while its still in perfect working order why should i upgrade my PDA and not install the latest OS......
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Not to say I did, but if I were to start using WM6 on my 51v, would there be any way to get rid of the password screen when ever I would be using external power (like in the cradle)? Of course, this is a totally hypothetical situation as I have not installed WM6 but it be VERY annoying. Other than that I have heard, from others of course, that this is a BIG improvement over WM5...
Not to say I did, but if I were to start using WM6 on my 51v, would there be any way to get rid of the password screen when ever I would be using external power (like in the cradle)? Of course, this is a totally hypothetical situation as I have not installed WM6 but it be VERY annoying. Other than that I have heard, from others of course, that this is a BIG improvement over WM5...
1) If you assign a password to your unit it will come up on battery power or in the cradle. WM6 and WM6.1 do not change that process.
2) Stability and speed are the changes most noticeable with WM6 & WM6.1. There is probably a gain in battery power but I have not tested it just noticed an increase in time I am able to run the unit for my daily activities. There are new applications that come with WM6 & WM6.1 that are not available with the standard WM5 ROM.
A word of warning. Read all you can on the ROM flashing process. This is so you have some knowledge if you have to report your results (positive or negative) and so you do not use an incompatible ROM with your unit (which will brick the unit). :approve:
I think it is in "some way" easy to find a solution.
As we all heard, DELL is getting back to the PPC / Smartphone market...
So if they want to come back to the market, I suppose that they are already working on WM 6 or WM 7 (who knows)...But I think they should be already developing & researching in this direction.
So wouldn't it be wise from them to think like this:
-We have some tausends of Dell Axim X50/X51 buyers out there.
-They for sure are all willing to pay for an upgrade to WM 6 (because we (Dell) know about all the troubles/bugs we put in the WM5
-So let's count: Are they willing to pay 50$ ??
-Defenitly: YES
So let's tell them today, that in the near future we will provide them an update for 50 Bucks and they will wait...even if it takes more than 6 months or one year...
So Dell "could" make a winning game out of that.
BUT: There is one problem. WM5.0 is not a bad OS. And it is working on many devices. But as we all know...Dell is putting there finger on the OS and change it so it works "well" with the Axim.
And we all find out that we have some problems with the "specialized" OS of Dell.
So my question is: "Will a WM 6 upgrade from Dell be as good as WM 6 is?"
I have no trust in Dell after all the problems I experienced with my Axims!
So in the near future I will buy HTC, because I think, that they have pretty much experience by now and they are doing really nice devices...
But it is a big pitty, because as you all say...The Axim X51v is a ferrari in the PDA market.
It has 624Mhz of Power...more than any other device.
And it has a really great VGA Touchscreen, which still is not standard in new devices!
But let's see what Dell did learn in the past (I doubt it is much) and let's see how there new devices will look like!
1) If you assign a password to your unit it will come up on battery power or in the cradle. WM6 and WM6.1 do not change that process.
2) Stability and speed are the changes most noticeable with WM6 & WM6.1. There is probably a gain in battery power but I have not tested it just noticed an increase in time I am able to run the unit for my daily activities. There are new applications that come with WM6 & WM6.1 that are not available with the standard WM5 ROM.
A word of warning. Read all you can on the ROM flashing process. This is so you have some knowledge if you have to report your results (positive or negative) and so you do not use an incompatible ROM with your unit (which will brick the unit). :approve:
Well, I decided to take a chance. I have been using it for a few days and am very happy to say the least! ActiveSync works, wifi works and all the software seems to work fine. Dell made a BIG mistake letting this one go!
I didn't read this entire thread, but I do want to say that unless you mess with the bootloader itself, it is almost impossible to brick the Axim, or any other HTC PPC device out there. I've flashed my Axim more than I can count in my head in an entire month. I've even lost use of a 1gig SD card, and the only reasoning that I could see it stopped working, is I flashed with it too much! But I do want to say that WM6.1 on a 624Mhz PPC is the best thing that has ever happened to the PPC world. The speed is really truly unbelievable. Stability is far greater than any WM5 ROM could ever dream of being, so if I'm wrong to want more stability, and a heck of a lot more speed, than please just ignore all my future posts on this site...
Not sure if we're allowed to link to WM6.1 ROMs, so I want do it, but I can say that I have some "interesting" stuff on my site if you wish to check it out. It's located here, so have fun, and enjoy the rest of your day....
WM5 upgrade was a POS. Please refer to the internet if unsure of the abbreviation.
Dell's X50V did work well enough on WM2003, but it was NEVER upgradeable as promised. Check thhis site for the myriad of problems with WM5.
Dell has always had problems with their PDA's going back to the X5. Yes I bought pretty much every machine they offered in each series.
If you are concerned about Piracy, let's also be concerned with FRAUD by MANUFACTURERS.
Case in point: MS Vista was a BETA release, not a fully formed OS. SP1 is Beta release 2 and nothing else. Driver problems still exist as well as incredible DRM overhead, slowing the OS down. See Apples OSX for a REAL OS release. I was at a MS roll out for Office 2003 where the lead presenter apologised to the group for ever bringing out Windows ME.
I'd bet not one of the readers here purchased their PDA from Dell with the thought Dell would be dropping the product line. If you knew, you would have probably bought an HP. I know I would have.
I see very little outrage of Manufacturers promises gone bad, bilking the public of millions and billions of dollars.
The X50 and X51 series are now terminated. If I find a better OS for my X50, I will use it.
WM5 upgrade was a POS. Please refer to the internet if unsure of the abbreviation.
Dell's X50V did work well enough on WM2003, but it was NEVER upgradeable as promised. Check thhis site for the myriad of problems with WM5.
Dell has always had problems with their PDA's going back to the X5. Yes I bought pretty much every machine they offered in each series.
If you are concerned about Piracy, let's also be concerned with FRAUD by MANUFACTURERS.
Case in point: MS Vista was a BETA release, not a fully formed OS. SP1 is Beta release 2 and nothing else. Driver problems still exist as well as incredible DRM overhead, slowing the OS down. See Apples OSX for a REAL OS release. I was at a MS roll out for Office 2003 where the lead presenter apologised to the group for ever bringing out Windows ME.
I'd bet not one of the readers here purchased their PDA from Dell with the thought Dell would be dropping the product line. If you knew, you would have probably bought an HP. I know I would have.
I see very little outrage of Manufacturers promises gone bad, bilking the public of millions and billions of dollars.
The X50 and X51 series are now terminated. If I find a better OS for my X50, I will use it.
WM5 upgrade was a POS. Please refer to the internet if unsure of the abbreviation.
Dell's X50V did work well enough on WM2003, but it was NEVER upgradeable as promised. Check thhis site for the myriad of problems with WM5.
Dell has always had problems with their PDA's going back to the X5. Yes I bought pretty much every machine they offered in each series.
If you are concerned about Piracy, let's also be concerned with FRAUD by MANUFACTURERS.
Case in point: MS Vista was a BETA release, not a fully formed OS. SP1 is Beta release 2 and nothing else. Driver problems still exist as well as incredible DRM overhead, slowing the OS down. See Apples OSX for a REAL OS release. I was at a MS roll out for Office 2003 where the lead presenter apologised to the group for ever bringing out Windows ME.
I'd bet not one of the readers here purchased their PDA from Dell with the thought Dell would be dropping the product line. If you knew, you would have probably bought an HP. I know I would have.
I see very little outrage of Manufacturers promises gone bad, bilking the public of millions and billions of dollars.
The X50 and X51 series are now terminated. If I find a better OS for my X50, I will use it.
I have to say that I bought my X51v AFTER Dell stopped producing them. Deliberately. Because I knew it was still the best PPC on the market for what I wanted. And it's not let me down one iota. Especially with the sterling work from LennySH and his 6.1 ROM ;)
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But I do want to say that WM6.1 on a 624Mhz PPC is the best thing that has ever happened to the PPC world. The speed is really truly unbelievable. Stability is far greater than any WM5 ROM could ever dream of being, so if I'm wrong to want more stability, and a heck of a lot more speed, than please just ignore all my future posts on this site...
