Ipod Touch vs Axim X51v; Summer '09

stukpixel · 06-30-09, 10:48 AM

I was considering purchasing an ipod touch; however, the most recent used prices for the x51v high end model could make it a better choice.

Are there any ways in which the x51v ($200) is better then the ipod touch ($230)?

(I mean the x51v extremely modified; all the latest patches, hacks, windows mobile 6.5 and the like)

KimChee · 06-30-09, 01:01 PM

Off the top of my head expandable slots, internal speaker, no after sales control, user replaceable battery, and hardware buttons (for gaming).

Ipod touch does have a very nice screen, and wireless g I believe.

Certainly I think you can get an x51v for cheaper than 200 also..

stukpixel · 06-30-09, 01:51 PM

battery life is worse then the ipod touch, and doesn't an extended battery stick out?

also I heard that gaming is way better on the ipod touch, in terms of fps you get in the playstation emulators for both devices.

Isn't the greater resolution/screen on the x51v better then the ipod touch?

and how does sdhc cards compare to internal flash storage for mp3s and videos?

johnhu_2005 · 06-30-09, 02:42 PM

I can easily go with both side of the argument here.

But in general, iPod Touch is for multimedia (Music + Videos) and accelerometer gaming.

The Axim is for business (Notes, calendar, etc..), navigation (with a receiver), and regular gaming.
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The fixed storage in the iPod series also annoys me. SDHC is used for expansion (I think up to 32GB now). If can be removed and swapped. With an iPod, once you are out of storage, you are out.
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The iPod Touch (2nd Gen)'s processor is only 532mHz. It is not sufficient compared to the 624mHz (Possible higher with overclocking of the xscale processor). So by raw processing power, Axim beats the iPod touch. I would assume games would run smoother (FPS is based on processing and graphics).
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As of the OS, both Windows Mobile and iPod Touch's icon system have their pros and cons. On top of my head, the icon system allows one program to icon. The WinMo OS allows a categorized menu, which I find a bit easier to use compared to the incessant scrolling to find the icons.

stukpixel · 06-30-09, 04:38 PM

you can't compare 624 mhz to 533 mhz because they have different processors.

And the ipod touch can have business software on it; I think its basically a pda.

Ivan Awfulitch · 06-30-09, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by stukpixel

you can't compare 624 mhz to 533 mhz because they have different processors.

And the ipod touch can have business software on it; I think its basically a pda.

Have to ask, why did you write this thread as you've already banged your knuckles against your chest telling the world that the touch is everything and everything else is crap. You asked for people to comment, then tell them they're wrong. The ipod is the ipod, and the Axim is the Axim. Use whatever works best for you but why ask if you don't want an answer?

makuu · 06-30-09, 05:25 PM

The axim has 2 extension slot. You can use it to view your picture directly from the SD card of your digital camera, it has VGA out display. It has a removable battery. I don't think these features are available on the I touch.

emeraldgirl08 · 06-30-09, 05:41 PM

Before I got my Ax I was browsing through sites and contemplating an Ipod Touch also.

Sure they look slick and "everybody who's anybody- and their grandmother" have one! The fact that storage isn't user-friendly, battery isn't as easy to change as an axim, and non-VGA did it for me. I think you can output the iTouch to a television but I can do that with my Ax if I want. I did order me a VGA presentation cable and it should be here anyday now.

If one fell off a truck...sure I'd take it :)

stukpixel · 06-30-09, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Ivan Awfulitch

Have to ask, why did you write this thread as you've already banged your knuckles against your chest telling the world that the touch is everything and everything else is crap. You asked for people to comment, then tell them they're wrong. The ipod is the ipod, and the Axim is the Axim. Use whatever works best for you but why ask if you don't want an answer?

uhm. should I feel the troll guys?

as for the sd cards, you're right, but are sd cards slower or faster then what the ipod touch has in terms of using apps of them and whatnot.

Box · 06-30-09, 05:57 PM

Ivan Awfulitch is far from a troll and the phrase is "Should I feed the Troll"

Be careful how you introduce yourself here, we are very friendly and helpful but don't suffer fools gladly!

**breley** · 07-01-09, 08:42 AM

We try to weed out trolls, and Ivan Awfulitch is not one of them as Box noted. Though, as a rule it's impolite to join a forum and refer to senior members as trolls.

As for X51v versus iPod Touch, I've owned both, though my iPod Touch is a first generation version, which doesn't have bluetooth that is now supported in OS 3.x for the iPod. Of course if you're looking at the 2nd generation with OS 3.x then bluetooth hardware support isn't an issue.

One other item not mentioned in this thread is multitasking. I can switch between multiple items in WinMo, so far none of the current iPod family support this feature, though there is rumor of a version in the works.

stukpixel · 07-01-09, 09:39 AM

He made it sound as if I made this thread to extol the virtues of the ipod touch, plus he implied a bit that I did it to troll.

I don't see how one's standing in a community enables one to misintepret neutral statements and not be called out on it. Also, given how far he misintepreted it, in my opinion, it seems like he did it on purpose or wasn't clearly thinking when he wrote the comment.

Finally sorry for the misspelling, Box.

Multitasking? Thats interesting. Definitely better then the touch.
Does anyone have any benchmarks for gfx and the like?

**breley** · 07-01-09, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by stukpixel

He made it sound as if I made this thread to extol the virtues of the ipod touch, plus he implied a bit that I did it to troll.

I don't see how one's standing in a community enables one to misintepret neutral statements and not be called out on it. Also, given how far he misintepreted it, in my opinion, it seems like he did it on purpose or wasn't clearly thinking when he wrote the comment.

Finally sorry for the misspelling, Box.

Multitasking? Thats interesting. Definitely better then the touch.
Does anyone have any benchmarks for gfx and the like?

To clarify, Ivan Awfulitch's post might have been a tad short and his interpretation of your statements may have been wrong, but retorting by calling him a troll was not the best way to respond. Now, had he said "Stukpixel, you're a troll", I would not have let that slip either. Incidentally, we have permanently banned long-time members who became verbally abusive, so number of posts and such doesn't provide an automatic "Get out of jail free" card.

To answer your other question about graphics benchmarks, it would of course depend to a degree on the particular ROM version you chose to install. You might PM lennysh or makuu and inquire if they have some benchmarks they can point you to for their respective X51v ROMs. I've seen an older WM5 ROM graphics benchmark done with SPB Benchmark, but haven't come across a WM6.x listing myself.

Ivan Awfulitch · 07-02-09, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by stukpixel

He made it sound as if I made this thread to extol the virtues of the ipod touch, plus he implied a bit that I did it to troll.

I don't see how one's standing in a community enables one to misinterpret neutral statements and not be called out on it. Also, given how far he misinterpreted it, in my opinion, it seems like he did it on purpose or wasn't clearly thinking when he wrote the comment.

Finally sorry for the misspelling, Box.

Multitasking? Thats interesting. Definitely better then the touch.
Does anyone have any benchmarks for gfx and the like?

Sorry to offend you, as this was not my purpose. I made the reply (quoted the exact response I was referring to), as I noticed johnhu_2005's response to your questions. You replied as if he was wrong or his opinion didn't matter. Having used both units, the points that have been brought up about the Axim are very valid and should be considered before deciding which unit you buy. I've always found the users of this site some of the most helpful of any support group I've frequented. I've always got the answer from someone, and have always been willing to pay it forward whenever I can.

Again, if I offended you I apologize as this was not my intent. I guess I get a bit defensive sometimes when it appears that someone is not respecting the experts views here.

Karen Kay · 07-04-09, 03:10 PM

I had an X30 for a long time and recently bought an IPod touch (2nd generation, 32gb). I was not a heavy-duty business or gaming user of the Axim, mostly used it for calendar functions, email/internet using wifi and basic games. I have to say that using WiFi on the Touch is a joy - it locates available networks automatically and shows them with concise descriptions where there are multiple networks available. Also, even without jailbreaking the Touch, there are huge numbers of very inexpensive or free apps you can add to it - much less expensive than the WM apps.
Disclaimer: I never had an X50 and it's version of the WM OS so I don't know how that differs from my X30, nor do I yet have any experience with battery life on the Touch. I do know that for the types of things I use (I don't have thousands of songs/movies/tv, nor any huge-sized apps), the 32gb is way enough for me. I'm just sharing my own limited experience.
On the other hand, there's always this...I gave the X30 to my sister who had an old Palm vX and she's pretty amazed by all the stuff it can do, and she loves it.
P.S. for those of you who have IPods, were you aware of the Ipod forum on the Mobility Site? I'm very surprised that it doesn't get more posts considering so many people have them...