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Old 12-16-04, 09:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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DOSBox on X50v?

Theres a few threads around, but nothign really conclusive for the X50v specifically.

Tue author of the Dosbox port doens't think it'll work as is on WM2003SE, but you never know.. I get the fealing it does work for som ein non-VGA devices (?).

Has anyone gotten it to work on the X50v specifically?

For me it just begins to load (you get the rotating load logo) and then stays there forever...

I'm messing with PocketDOS of course in its place, but I'd like to have both really ;)

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Old 12-16-04, 09:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Unfortunately, It seems that no many emu coders are interested by X50v, it's too bad because on lower power systems like GP32 many open source emulators are faster than the pocket pc ones (may be not otimized).

My dream will be a port of Little John Z to pocket pc and a neogeo emu :love:

But an atari st emulator will be great too
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Old 12-16-04, 11:31 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Unfortunately, It seems that no many emu coders are interested by X50v, it's too bad because on lower power systems like GP32 many open source emulators are faster than the pocket pc ones (may be not otimized)
Not sure what you mean, but all emulators up to SNES should run fullspeed on the x50v. Only GBA and PSX are somewhat on the slow side. And there are no faster GBA or PSX emulators on the GP32. So LJZ would be "just another emulator".

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But an atari st emulator will be great too
There already is an ST emulator from the same author as fpsece.

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Old 12-16-04, 11:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I think theres also a Neo Geo MVS emu for PoPC as well.

I may bring my version of CaSTaway over to Pocket PC, or merge in some of my changes to CastCE if his recent sources can be gotten; my versions (GP32, Palm OS) have game databases so you know whats on a disk image among other nifty things.

Most PoPC emus are not realyl heavily optimized like on the smaller platforms (like GP32), but they tend to be fast enough due to higher speed processors (624MHz goes a long way, even when you dont' have direct framebuffer access etc :)

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Old 12-16-04, 12:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Most PoPC emus are not realyl heavily optimized like on the smaller platforms (like GP32), but they tend to be fast enough due to higher speed processors (624MHz goes a long way, even when you dont' have direct framebuffer access etc
Thats correct. For the sake of battery life it certainly would be better to optimize more, but its questionable if someone bothers doing this. I certainly would not if it runs "fast enough".

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I may bring my version of CaSTaway over to Pocket PC, or merge in some of my changes to CastCE if his recent sources can be gotten
Thats a good start to make yourself familiar with the PPC platfrom and the OS. In gereral i found programming for PPC always more comfortable than for PalmOS.
It certainly depends of how many OS specifics you have in CasteCE, as i found one does man things different with PalmOS (ie. memory allocation) compared to ANSI C/C++.

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ps. There is another DOS emulator called PockedDOS. It only emulates real mode CPUs (ie. 8086,8088,80186, 80286 real mode) but it is much faster than DOSBox. You can even play action games like "Another World","Zool" or "Turbo Outrun" with it.

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I had the same problems with DOSbox on my x50v.
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I really want DOSbox on my X50v. I heard that it can play civilization,
prince of persia, warcraft II, etc. All kinds of games that PPC users
are screaming for! :)
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Old 12-16-04, 02:55 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Hey Tala,

I've done most platforms, except PoPC; should be a walk in the park for the most part when I get a moment; I'll likely bring over my 'Zot' framework first, since its stupidly portable. (Already runs on win/osx/linux+unix/simbian/palmos/gp32 :) Heck, PoPC is simialr to Win32 in a lot of respects.. Pretty much everything I write is cross platform; heck, PoPC has SDL and other simple layers availabel to make getting going easy, but of course the GUI side will take some doing. I'm not sure if anyone is still working on CastCE, and I know their most recent sources aren;'t around anywhere, and I dont' think they're answering mail about it these days since they're working on much more interesting things now :)

Nomatter; I may port my CaSTaway builds over; why not have two CaSTaways on one platform? :)

(As to Palm OS, I built a libc more or less for the ARM/PNO/TNA side of Palm OS, so coding for Palm OS is the same as other OSes "more or less" for me; most of my Palm OS code (which is a *lot* ;) is built first on a desktop platform)

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Originally Posted by c.hilding
I really want DOSbox on my X50v. I heard that it can play civilization,
prince of persia, warcraft II, etc. All kinds of games that PPC users
are screaming for! :)
At least for Civilization, you can play it in Atari ST and SNES emulators.. try CastCE and assorted SNES emus :)

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Originally Posted by Tala
Not sure what you mean, but all emulators up to SNES should run fullspeed on the x50v.
I'm sorry but I don't know about theses emulators.

For Snes the best emulator I know is the emulamer version of "Pocket Snes bleeding edge". It runs at 25fps with sound at 625Mhz (with castlevania 4, Mario), Without sound contra run at 30-35fps, it's not really fullspeed (60fps with sound at zero frameskip).
The results are not better than GP32 clocked to 180Mhz...
For Genesis emulation, the picodrive is very good but it seems discontinued and lacks sound.
With the fabulous cyclone core in asm (for 68000 emulation) and the Doctor Z80 (Z80 emulator) in asm from Reezy it will possible to port many MAME games and Neogeo / Genesis...

Skeezix : Is it difficult to port emulators from GP32/Zodiac/Palm OS to Pocket PC ? because it many helps to speedup emulation without overclock at frameskip zero and sound !

Thanks for your answer :)
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Originally Posted by skeezix
At least for Civilization, you can play it in Atari ST and SNES emulators.. try CastCE and assorted SNES emus :)

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Thanks for the tip, I'll look for it. :)
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Porting from gp32 is pretty easy; most people have never heard of the GP32 to even know to look of course :)

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Originally Posted by skeezix
Porting from gp32 is pretty easy; most people have never heard of the GP32 to even know to look of course :)

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Wow that's wonderful ! So Opensnes9x and Dr.MD can be ported to Pocket PC. I hope with these emu we can play fullspeed at frameskip zero with sound in snes and md games at 520Mhz ! :approve:

Now we need a great coder like you to compile it :love:
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Its not as easy as just compiling it of course; they just tend to be easier to port than other things, but you still have to port it (wrap up filesystem calls, add in blitting code, audio code, a GUI, et al.) GP32 is relatively easy since the GP32 is so sparse, that people have already taken out any GUI's and fancy stuff that may have been in it originally.. so porting a GP32 thing is just adding the parts you need and taking out some minimal GP32 stuff. When porting other things, you have to strip out the GUI and all the stuff one woudl be adding for the new port :)

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Originally Posted by skeezix
At least for Civilization, you can play it in Atari ST and SNES emulators.. try CastCE and assorted SNES emus :)

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I have searched for any version of Civ to work on Pocket PC, and so far have come up blank. Can you give me a specific pointer or additional hints to where I might be able to find what I need to get Civ on my X50v? That would be oh, so cool...

Thanks, Tom.
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