There a way to force TrueVGA in PIE?

MMXER · 08-30-05, 05:24 PM

There a way or program to froce true VGA just for PIE or Netfront? Yes I can use the true VGA programs, but hate that it resets when you use it, Was just wondering if you can set it to run in true VGA without running another program...

BKF · 08-30-05, 07:00 PM

I'm not sure, but I think I saw that the new Nyiditot program allowed resolution changes without resetting.

Don't know if you can have just IE change resolutions on-the-fly with Nyditot, but check into it and see if it'll work.

falconflyer · 08-30-05, 08:35 PM

The program Tweaks2k2 has a function called Brute Force VGA, that will allow you to choose wich programs are forced to hi-res.

MMXER · 08-30-05, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by falconflyer

The program Tweaks2k2 has a function called Brute Force VGA, that will allow you to choose wich programs are forced to hi-res.

Thx, ill give it a shot...

Dengarhunted · 08-30-05, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by falconflyer

The program Tweaks2k2 has a function called Brute Force VGA, that will allow you to choose wich programs are forced to hi-res.

I haven't had any luck with Tweaks2k2 forcing IE or Excel into hi-res mode. If anyone else has, please tell me how to do it as I'd love to use these 2 apps without switching to true VGA mode!

Quboid · 08-31-05, 06:03 AM

I think PIE (and probably Excel) are already VGA aware so the brute force doesn't affect them. However, on VGA devices, they use a layout that is similar to that of a QVGA device :(

nyditot · 09-01-05, 02:29 PM

Nyditot Virtual Display 4.22 will do this. Just choose 96 DPI in the Virtual Display Settings applet. Click here to download a trial version.

-=ToRnAdO=- · 09-01-05, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by nyditot

Nyditot Virtual Display 4.22 will do this. Just choose 96 DPI in the Virtual Display Settings applet. Click here to download a trial version.

i tried that and all it did is like OzVGA doing
did u mean it suppose to make just the PIE with true vga mode ?
or am i doing something wrong

Namuna · 09-01-05, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by -=ToRnAdO=-

i tried that and all it did is like OzVGA doing
did u mean it suppose to make just the PIE with true vga mode ?
or am i doing something wrong

I've also downloaded 4.22 and am confused as to how to set the rez per app.

nyditot · 09-01-05, 06:34 PM

Ok I didn't read the first post carefully. Whenever you change the physical resolution or DPI you will have to reset the device. This is imposed by the operating system.

This may get a little confusing but I'll do my best to explain:

The X50v only support 480x640 physical resolution but, with NVD, can support 192 or 96 DPI. Now, even though the X50v runs at "VGA resolution" it nominally sets the DPI to 192, twice the typical value of 96. The result is that everything is 4x the "normal" size such that a 480x640 display looks like a very crisp 240x320 display. NVD allows you to change the DPI to 96 thereby achieving a "true VGA" display. Unfortunately the OS gets the DPI once at start up and then uses this saved value later.

On the other hand you can change the virtual resolution without having to reset the device. You could leave the DPI at 192 and create a 960x1280 (or 1280x960 in landscape) virtual display that is compressed to fit within the physical 480x640 display. The screen elements will be exactly the same size as they would be if you used a 480x640 virtual display with a DPI of 96 BUT this will not look exactly the same. In the former case the 1280x960 dislay is being dynamically compressed resulting in some compression artifacts. There will also be some performance degradation.

The good news is that you can go from 1280x960,192 DPI to 640x480,196 DPI without having to soft reset. You can use the VD Previous icon or NVD's popup menu to quickly switch between the two. You might also want to assign VD Previous to a hardware button.

Ok, I hope that wasn't overly confusing. In a nutshell you can not go from standard mode to true VGA and back unless you soft reset but you can get a similar effect, with some caveats, using 1280x960.

Hope that helps.

Quboid · 09-01-05, 06:44 PM

So with NVD, there is no way to get PIE (or Netfront 3.2) to display good quality graphics as if we'd switched to 96dpi mode, ie. to get them to act as if the device is 480 pixels across rather than 640?

This is what I want but no browser supports it (at least not without softresetting...). I wonder when Netfront 3.3 will be out.

Namuna · 09-01-05, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by nyditot

...In a nutshell you can not go from standard mode to true VGA and back unless you soft reset but you can get a similar effect, with some caveats, using 1280x960.
Hope that helps.

So the choice is:
1. Deal with having to Soft Reset everytime I want to switch from standard to "true" VGA.
2. Accept compression artifacts and performance degredation to be able to do a "pseudo-true" VGA, without having to reset.

I'm not trying to be harsh, but that's not much of a choice.

What about with the standard switching to 96 DPI setting? Does Nyditot give me more/same/less options than Oz_VGA?

Thanks for taking the time to give us the details!

nyditot · 09-01-05, 07:09 PM

NVD allows your device to run at ANY virtual resolution and/or orientation. The virtual display can be panned or compressed to fit the physical display or arbitrarily magnified.

NVD also support external displays when used with display adapters from Colographic, Margi, LifeView, Toshiba, Icuiti and the Dell Axim X50v VGA output cable. When used with an external display, the internal display can be converted into a touch pad pointing device. NVD even add a mouse pointer. Add a wireless keyboard and the X50v becomes a desktop computer cabable of TRUE 1280x1024 resolution on an external display. I believe there are several threads on AximSite discussing this.

NVD also allow you to change system colors and fonts just like on your desktop.

Click here to download the trial version of NVD 4.22.