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Old 10-12-05, 02:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Storage vs. Program Memory
It seems that everything is put into Program memory, and nothing seems to go into storage memory. What is the procedure for putting something into storage memory?
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Old 10-12-05, 07:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by bigtar
It seems that everything is put into Program memory, and nothing seems to go into storage memory. What is the procedure for putting something into storage memory?
I believe you just select "Device" when installing the s/w on the x51v. That's what I do.
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Originally Posted by bigtar
It seems that everything is put into Program memory, and nothing seems to go into storage memory. What is the procedure for putting something into storage memory?
Do you mean installing programs in the storage memory? By default in the Activesync Add/Remove Programs section "Install to Default Memory" option is checked. When it's checked, every program installs to main memory. Make sure that this is unchecked to install your programs in the storage.
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Old 10-12-05, 08:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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On the latest Axim, WM5.0 uses persistent storage. Meaning everything that you key or enter wil be written onto the ROM. Now because ROM is limited, the OS WM5.0 will take up a portion of it. Thus let say it takes up 25MB, and your device ROM is only 64MB, thus leaving you 39MB for your storage. Now, if you do install other apps on your PDA, then the 39MB will be getting less. To write to your storage, you need to select as where you want to save your data.
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Old 10-13-05, 02:05 AM   #5 (permalink)
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So, which directories take storage memory?
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Originally Posted by vt1905
Do you mean installing programs in the storage memory? By default in the Activesync Add/Remove Programs section "Install to Default Memory" option is checked. When it's checked, every program installs to main memory. Make sure that this is unchecked to install your programs in the storage.
How do you uncheck it when it's a ghost image?
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It is my understanding that ROM is where all applications and data are stored and protected from removal by a loss of battery power. RAM is what is used for applications being used and data being used. My unit says I have Storage 195.01mb and Program 49.47mb in the memory application for RAM. I have no idea how much ROM space there is available.
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WM5 only stores in Storage memory. You cannot store anything in Program memory aka RAM.

If by storage memory you mean SD/CF, then you simply chose CF or SD when installing a problem, in the prompt window that comes up on the PDA.
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When I open applications and leave them open they the memory available changes in Program memory. Try it, open he battery memory application alone. Them open several applications toggle to the memory application after you open each application and you will see that the amount of Program memory thats used changes.
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Whats below has been taken from http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=2670

The X51v is overflowing with memory. Dell has doubled the amount of internal flash memory to 256 MB. Between this, and the new memory system used by Windows Mobile 5, you'll almost never have to worry about running out of memory again.

Before delving into the technical details, it's handy to know a couple of basic points. "Storage memory" acts like a desktop's hard drive, the area where you keep files and programs. "Program memory" is like a desktop's RAM, and is used by active programs.

The newly upgraded 256 MB of flash memory in the X51v forms the biggest change from the Axim X50v. Under WM5, this area houses both the operating system, and the device's primary storage. Minus room for the OS, you're left with a whopping 195 MB of storage memory on the X51v.

Both of the two lower models in the X51 series have 128 MB flash memory. This is the same as the X50 series for the mid-range device, but double what the low-end received last time around, a very fair upgrade.

Prior to Windows Mobile 5, the primary storage area of a PocketPC was a chunk of the device's RAM. Applications could be installed on memory cards or elsewhere, but the RAM served as the home of Windows files and other essentials. Since RAM required power all the time in order to maintain its contents, increasing available memory also meant significantly increasing the battery drain. Now all those files and programs have been moved into flash, storage memory can be increased without a battery life penalty. The X51v has 256 MB internal flash, but it wouldn't be impossible to build a device with 512 MB, 1 GB, or even more.

Besides pure speed, flash memory does have one significant drawback over RAM. After a certain number of rewrites, flash memory begins to degrade and show errors. Fortunately, the number of rewrites is quite high, anywhere from 100,000 to 1 million writes per sector. So while the flash in the X51v will eventually deteriorate with continual use, it's not likely to happen before the march of technology turns it into a doorstop anyway.

Thanks to the new memory arrangement, storage memory isn't the only thing that gets a boost. On prior Windows OSes, the system's RAM was divided more or less evenly between storage memory and program memory. Hence, a Pocket PC that had 64 MB of actual RAM effectively used only 32 MB of it for program memory. To get a full 64 MB for running programs, you needed to buy a 128 MB PocketPC.

Under WM5, all of a device's RAM, in this case the full 64 MB, is used for running programs. This makes a 64 MB WM5 device the equivalent in program memory of a 128 MB WM2003SE or earlier model.

If all this talk of storage, program memory, and etcetera has you confused, don't worry. The new system used by WM5 is actually much simpler than its predecessor. The X51v's main storage, where all of its files and programs are kept, is flash memory. This works more or less like a desktop hard drive, and retains its contents even if your battery dies. The RAM, like the RAM on a desktop, is used only for running active programs, and doesn't get maintained if your battery dies.

The new handling of RAM does mean that a fully drained battery can still result in some data loss for open documents and programs, because the RAM isn't backed up against loss. It's equivalent to having your PC reboot--everything returns to the way it was the last time you started it up. Likewise, any time you change your battery, no matter how fast you do it, you'll end up with a soft-reset. I'm not particularly happy about this, since it's very annoying when you have to wait for your handheld to reboot following a quick battery swap, but that's the way it is.
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