X51v hacked ROM prohibited

james31554 · 07-05-07, 08:42 PM

Why is it that the hacked ROM for the ipaq 4700 is allowed to be posted and talked about on here, but yet the hacked ROM for the Axim x51V is NOT allowed to be posted and talked about ??

Seems rather inconsistent to me, perhaps someone can enlighten me as to the reason.

07-05-07, 08:45 PM

I asked the same question a few days ago but didn't really understand the answer. I too would like to be enlightened, although I have no desire to use either (or any) hacked ROM. WM5 on my A12 X51v works great.

07-05-07, 08:49 PM

From what I recall, it's not really allowed to be talked about eitehr, at least not beyond 'it exists' and 'it does things'.

james31554 · 07-05-07, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by paulcb

I asked the same question a few days ago but didn't really understand the answer. I too would like to be enlightened, although I have no desire to use either (or any) hacked ROM. WM5 on my A12 X51v works great.

From what I understood, they were saying that the 4700 was almost totally useless without the hacked ROM under WM5, whereas the Axim was pretty functional at A12 from Dell.

Since both of these machines have basically been orphaned though, I think they are splitting hairs about the distinction between the two.

07-05-07, 09:43 PM

That's what I understood as well but what does the function of the device have to do with the legality of a hacked ROM? To me, that's similar logic to "MS makes too much money so it's OK to download MS warez," which is completely wrong.

shady · 07-06-07, 02:32 AM

Well I don't see why the discussion should be banned over here. We're talking about AKU 3.5.2 update and not WM6.0. I think every Axim owner deserves to get the latest update from their OS because everyone purchased their device with license. Microsoft released updates and it is the lazy Dell engineers who doesn't want to release the update for us.I think everyone should be greteful because someone managed to get the update for us.

07-06-07, 02:33 AM

Hope I'm not talking taboo but is there an improvement for the hacked roms or is it just a "hip" version cause it's M$ circumvented?

makuu · 07-06-07, 04:33 AM

I agree with Shady, we paid our WM5 licence, so we should get the last aku from Dell, Perhaps if we raise a protest to Dell, we will have a chance to get it.

Especially, we own a vga device and our embedded browser, is not able to browse vga (images are double pixelled). While aku 3 has vga enabled browser, the HTC Athena for exemple has this feature in his aku 3.3.1.

MadMic · 07-06-07, 07:24 AM

I asked this question in this forum a few days ago and it was closed after someone tried asking for a link :(

I too do not understand the reasons for not speaking about this ROM. How can it be illegal to take your own device and apply what is essentially a "Service Release" to it? From what I understand the WM5 license assigned to my machine allows me to use Windows Mobile 5 on my device - which after applying "A17" is exactly what I have.

I do think this may stem from the fact the in the begining the guy who is building the ROM (very clever guy who goes by the name "Football") included copies of Resco Keyboard (or something similar) - which I'm sure he owns a license to use, but if others who do not had flashed the ROM, then they would have been using the keyboard software illegally - hence Football getting banned from Aximsite and the ROM being assigned to the "we will never mention this again" pile...

I think part of the issues is that the people over at xda-forums got a right-good slapping from Microsoft because they were hosting ROMs which were illegal (same as if there was a WM6 ROM for the X51v) and the guys who run Aximsite have got worried - quite rightly too, I'd not like MS on my ass!

I've followed what Football and the guys have been trying to do, and have read up on how to build your own ROMS. I've learnt so much on how the Ax boots and it's internal workings (XIP, etc). My idea is to hard-reset my Ax and install my software so it's working perfectly, grab it, create an image and build a ROM from it. This means if (and often!) I hard-reset my Ax I won't have such a hard time getting everything reinstalled and, more importantly the security programme I use will be stored in ROM so any thieving pikies can't get around it by doing a hard-reset, thus making the device useless (if I can't have MY Ax - NO ONE CAN!!!!).. cunning eh?? What I wont be doing is making this ROM available to anyone else, as that IS illegal!

Beweglich · 07-06-07, 11:32 AM

relax it isn't that big of a deal, what the Administrators don't realize and no matter how educated are obviously ignorant, is that anyone can go to the MSDN website and download the WM5 or WM6 Developers package. It doesn't cost anything and Microsoft isn't saying no. The only thing is that you can't take Microsoft's product and start selling it for you own profit.
What Football is doing is perfectly legal and unless he starts charging each of us, he is doing nothing wrong.
Chris needs to wake up and tell his admin to stop with their over eager paroling of the threads. We have been discussing stuff like this for ages and there have been many hacks on this site and we should have the advantage to add many more. Its not like dell cares, they dropped the Axim line, so we need to keep developing it.:rolling:

harpgliss · 07-06-07, 11:58 AM

Hi,

I went to address this in the HP thread and I am confused also.

If the Dell rom is categorized here as illegal, the HP rom is illegal also and should not be discussed here any more.

Now, I do not want either to be not discussed here as I like the discussions but as long as links are not posted directly, no harm no foul.

Imo.

Now, there is a thread with direct linking to the HP rom and it is still up.

Big time double standard here no matter how crappy the update from HP was.

The Dell rom is illegal then the HP one as well.

Now it looks if I am new here based on number of posts but I am not a newbie here or to the scene by any stretch so I do understand what is going on.

I would ask that the administration here consider reopening the dell threads as a sign of fairness.

David

rcab · 07-06-07, 01:12 PM

Aximsite is a private site developed and maintained by Chris and he can decide what or what not to allow to be posted. I think instead of addressing what is fair or not fair it would be more beneficial to ask Chris or his designated admin moderators to address this topic and explain the issue between Dell and HP allowed ROM hacked programs being allowed to be included in live threads.

FunkyCowie · 07-06-07, 01:29 PM

The hacked WM5 Rom for X50/v users should be fine as should a X51/v hacked rom for WM5 that actually makes it work better, you can only update the rom if you have WM5 already, and by that I mean a legal copy!

If your trying to get WM6 to function on a X50/v or X51/v then thats illegal unless you have purchased the license to install a user copy for the average joe or if you are a developer and can create your own rom and install on your own device then thats legal aswell but to distribute it is illegal as you need a distribution license!

Beweglich · 07-06-07, 02:33 PM

Really it is only required to have a distributers license if you plan on marketing it and selling it or mass distribution, you are allowed to give your friends or colleagues a copy of your roms and so on, just not over mass distribution and Football is just giving it to us his friends and its on the internet so we can all get to it.

07-06-07, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Beweglich

Really it is only required to have a distributers license if you plan on marketing it and selling it or mass distribution, you are allowed to give your friends or colleagues a copy of your roms and so on, just not over mass distribution and Football is just giving it to us his friends and its on the internet so we can all get to it.

ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE:exc:. Unless you have permission of the copyright holder it is illegal to distribute copies of a work.

This is being discussed among the mods right now.