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Old 11-26-07, 04:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Can you disable 802.11b and replace it with 802.11g only(without 802.11b)

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My house has only 802.11g wifi access points and my understanding is that all dell Axims only have 802.11b wifi(if any) and there are none with the 802.11g standard which will slow down my wireless network.

I think there are adapter cards which claim they have 802.11g only?

My question is if there is a way to completely disable the 802.11b and then enable 100% off the 802.11g wifi card?

I currently do not own an axim but was thinking of getting one until I saw it had 802.11b.

If someone could please let me know, I would sure appreciate it.

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Old 11-26-07, 05:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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There are cards you can get for wifi that may be g only. But, what is the problem with b? It gets just as good distance as g does on my axim, and you can hardly tell the difference. The slower rendering outweighs the slower speeds.
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The easiest thing is to get an old 'B only' router and make your B/G router 'G only'
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Old 11-26-07, 07:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by spunker88 View Post
The slower rendering outweighs the slower speeds.

Is the slower rendering caused by the 802.11g card or are you saying that your speed limitation is the rendering, not the wifi speed?


Now, to answer the other questions:


1. My understanding from what I have read is that using a 802.11b decide in your network will slow down ALL traffic on the wireless network(not just the 1 device using the 802.11b)

2. I also have a MIMO router with a special card and I think I remember there was a setting that if you could completely remove 802.11b support from the network, it would speed up the speed. This was a while back so maybe I am remembering this wrong? If this is wrong, please correct me.

I am just trying to figure out if you are able to

- Turn off the 802.11b completely
- Then run 100% from a 802.11g card?

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Wait for the HP IPAQ 211. It will support B & G:

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Originally Posted by Jonnydanger View Post

1. My understanding from what I have read is that using a 802.11b decide in your network will slow down ALL traffic on the wireless network(not just the 1 device using the 802.11b)
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This only applies if you have other wireless devices using them. Current routers are ISRs and thus have wireless as an option. Furthermore, I have a router that uses b and g and there is no speed difference is switching it.
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2. I also have a MIMO router with a special card and I think I remember there was a setting that if you could completely remove 802.11b support from the network, it would speed up the speed. This was a while back so maybe I am remembering this wrong? If this is wrong, please correct me.
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MiMO= Multi-in Multi-Out. From the looks of the name, using B and G shouldn't even have a speed difference. Again this applies to wireless devices only. If you have a wired network and only use Axim as the only wireless device, there should be no speed difference. With multiple wireless devices speed is obliviously lost. If you have multiple wireless devices, then its better to get an extra router and switch it to b only. The main difference in B and G is the speed btw. Unless you internet is faster than 11Megabits per second, then use B. The extra alloted bandwidth doesn't help in speed. If you can change all devices to B. G was developed for faster speeds of 54Megabits and sometimes higher.

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- Turn off the 802.11b completely
- Then run 100% from a 802.11g card?
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If possible switch it all to B unless you internet speed is greater than 11Megabits per second (11/8 megabytes per second.) Go to dslreports.com and do a speed test to check it out.
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Originally Posted by Jonnydanger View Post
Is the slower rendering caused by the 802.11g card or are you saying that your speed limitation is the rendering, not the wifi speed?
802.11b has a max speed of 11mb/s and g has a max speed of 54mb/s. What i was saying is that your axim would never really be able to take advantage of the faster speeds of g, b/c it cant render that fast.

Also, i have no idea that b and g on a router simultaneously slows things down. I have never noticed on my router that also has 2 computers on it and a few laptops. My axim effects it very little.
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Old 11-27-07, 11:15 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I have a mixed setup also with 4 pc's vonage and my axim. Only the axim runs at 11 while the others are running at 54. but again the max bw of the connection is only 1.5 so it doesn't really matter.
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Hi.

The purpose of the home network( wireless, MIMO, 802.11g, 802.11N, Gigabit,etc..) is for LAN applications not WAN.

In other words, media streaming, file transferring, attached network drives, etc..

Trust me, I use to be one of the few people with a phone line network which was very slow. I am talking about originally 1Mbps which I later upgraded to 10m=Mbps.

I later trashed the phone line network and got a high tech 1000 Mbps gigabit switch(CAT 6 cables) and 240 Kpbs wireless MIMO router.

I kind of feel that we are getting off topic.

I am just looking for a simple yes or no answer to the question if you can disable your 802.11b on the Axim and work completely off a 802.11g card accessory.

I am not really trying to debate the need to a fast home network or anything like that.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Old 11-28-07, 04:51 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 11-28-07, 07:05 AM   #12 (permalink)
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To the best of my knowledge, you can't disable the internal WiFi. That's why I purchased the X50 without the internal WiFi.

I've used both b and g cards and didn't notice any difference. Although, I don't have wireless at my house. I've only used it at hotels or coffee shops.
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Old 11-29-07, 11:15 AM   #13 (permalink)
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G and B

Ck your access point. Almost all can support B and G devices at the same time. This is typically a setting in your access point/router.

The prevous response is correct. You will see little throughput gain by upgrading your Axim to G. Keep in mind that the PDA processor, assume you are running full tilt, is only 624mhz. Fast for a PDA but really slow compared to almost any desktop today. Processor speed is what will limit your throughput even with a G wireless connection.
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Originally Posted by AWhipple4 View Post
Ck your access point. Almost all can support B and G devices at the same time. This is typically a setting in your access point/router.

The prevous response is correct. You will see little throughput gain by upgrading your Axim to G. Keep in mind that the PDA processor, assume you are running full tilt, is only 624mhz. Fast for a PDA but really slow compared to almost any desktop today. Processor speed is what will limit your throughput even with a G wireless connection.
So the Dell Axim X51 can be upgraded to run in G connection ?

Either it can or it can't. I am trying to find which one is it.

The cnet video review indicated there is a wifi button switch on the side that can be used to turn off the internet wifi.

Can this be done and you can run the G wifi from the external card?

Please let me know yes or no

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Old 12-04-07, 05:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Wow, lots of input without an answer. Simply put, you CAN disable the internal wifi. Whether that would disable an add-on cf wifi adapter or not I would only be guessing, but I'd say no, as they'd b using different drivers. The Axim CAN NOT be physocally upgraded to 802.11g at this time without such an add-on device.
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